Viaducts where possible. Jamaica Center would probably be a notch or two higher if it had been designed as terminal and could handle all E train runs. Other sources indicate that the unused level at Fulton St.s Utica station is not quite perpendicular but slanted 20 degrees or so in the favorable direction. Kind of surprising the Fulton line was left out of it. I would totally be open to the idea of just using Nassau and keeping the B/D on the Manhattan Bridge. south of 63rd V from Bypass to Utica via Williamsburg, 15 TPH each. I, My 6) above, stacking the tracks. In California money itd be about 2. We dont need to tear down the EL. Also the train that stays down Fulton past Utica would now have 4 terminals, Euclid Ave, Ozone Park, and The Rockaways. Oh well, maybe that will help since Im taking the express trains away from Nostrand. The first would create a new flying junction below Eastern Parkway which would allow all trains to merge on their own tracks freely and the second would install two switches just pas the junction letting express trains bypass local trains. CBTC will raise it higher and the E trains route is already budgeted for that in both Manhattan and Queens. challenge. blend into hilly terrain. Just an idea! Precinct: (718) 735-0611 Community Affairs: (718) 735-0634 Crime Prevention: (718) 735-0658 - Jason Marsman - E-mail: jason.marsman@nypd.org - Kelvin Vidal - E-mail: kelvin.vidal@nypd.org Domestic Violence Officer: (718) 735-0600 - E-mail Youth Coordination Officer: (718) 735-0657 . The station's other fare control area has two staircases going down to each platform, a crossover, part-time turnstile bank and customer assistance booth, high entry/exit turnstiles that provide full-time access to and from the station, and two staircases going up to either side of Fulton Street between Stuyvesant and Schenectady Avenues. Located under Eastern Parkway near Utica Avenue in Crown Heights, Brooklyn, it is served by the 4 train at all times and the 3 train at all times except late nights. Building it to Water St requires all new infrastructure there and a new East River tunnel (which isnt needed) and with Nassau St located closer to the heart of the Financial District and with better transfer options (that Water St would not be able to provide) it seems obvious that its a better routing. It will be an additional use of Bay Ridge, besides dropping the L into it, and thus help thwart the Triborough RX effort. Its smaller for the same reason an Olds Runabout is smaller than a Model T: the technological limitations of the day. Construction commenced on Contract 2 on March 4, 1903. Bubble the reworking there to the top of the list and once done it can do 12 B Div. We dont need to build out some perfect system when IRT is good enough. Despite its name, this station has no exit to the corner of Utica Avenue and Eastern Parkway. I dont really see the need for a peak direction track this far out. Abandoned Jerome Post Office (Jerome) This mile-high town in the Black Hills of Yavapai County was once a thriving mining community where rich stores of copper, gold and silver ore were discovered in the late 19 th century. This seems right as Fulton intersects cross-streets at that angle. Ive thought of three more elevated footprint lightening techniques; these are all actually in use right now: 9. When the IND built their lines they did so with room for expansion and most of the provisions and abandoned sections that did get built had something to do with Utica Ave. . This configuration would have other benefits as the riders who are now coming from furthest away have default express trips while the 7th Ave Express-Eastern Parkway Local 2/3 trains can now have more even headways, reducing delays. We already did a shutdown that required all trains to be terminated at Franklin Av, and we survived! I just disagree with a Worth St subway being the best choice, since unlike the Second Avenue tracks, the Eighth Av local does have capacity constraints in the railroad north direction (both CPW local and 53 St have two services each, which is about as much as you want to push on a pair of tracks before service gets too unreliable). Despite this residents of southern and southeastern Brooklyn would continually oppose any plan that involved elevated trains (even extensions of the Nostrand Ave Line as an elevated were blocked). Despite his influence as Senate Majority Leader, the Utica Avenue subway may never leave the station. Its more of a nice-to-have thing, but all that needs to be fixed is Myrtle Interlocking and the curve at Cypress Hills, which are 1000x more cheaper. The upper level at Utica Ave station on the Fulton Line would be used but only half of the existing structure would be needed since the modern line would be two tracks. [11]:194[7], On March 19, 1913, New York City, the Brooklyn Rapid Transit Company, and the IRT reached an agreement, known as the Dual Contracts, to drastically expand subway service across New York City. I was gonna comment this on Build Transit Where Its Most Effective, Not Where Its Least Expensive but comments were closed. Meaning that in order for a IND to run down Utica Av, Utica Av would have to be destroyed and rebuilt around the same area of the 3/4 station. So thats what the future holds: deep tunnels and expensive stations. As someone wiser than I recently put it: Ultimately a project with a higher up front price tag will be an invaluable investment that will pay dividends far into the future.. I agree using Worth has disadvantages. Look at how grades were avoided on the first line, the popping above ground for 125 St and the extreme depth of some of the Washington Heights stations. B: I wouldnt worry much about curves coming into terminals. Like on the Jamaica el. [21], This underground station serves local and express trains in a two-level layout with two island platforms. The first option is a bit luxurious and is unlikely to happen. [17] On August 23, 1920, the Eastern Parkway Line was extended from Atlantic Avenue to Crown HeightsUtica Avenue, with the Utica Avenue station opening at this time. I grant you C outright; shorter trains being more maneuverable in yards. There is also limited rush hour 2 and 5 services here. South 4 St Passenger service: Never completed. Even the New Lots branch doesnt have a third track and you could argue it needs one more than this. Perhaps you are discounting the Fulton St. It will be express. At Nostrand Avenue and Fulton St, provisions were made for a connection to the proposed Bedford Ave line. I was talking with someone at the MTA and they mentioned that the planners were playing with the idea of building the relay along side the Bay Ridge because there was more space/cheaper than extending a tunnel south. NEW YORK, NY - Police are seeking a man who allegedly exposed himself and performed a 'lewd act' in the presence of a 21-year-old female subway passenger. 6. First, is that, just as with the Second Avenue Subway, anything done would have to be in stages. The IRT built their Utica Ave station west of Utica Ave with turnouts in the track walls so that a branch could split. No doubt they will propose some deep bore subway with expensive stations that will take a decade or more to build. Why is it diverging to face the Bay Ridge Branch? Double-deck single tracks. The Crown HeightsUtica Avenue station is an express station on the IRT Eastern Parkway Line of the New York City Subway. Given that the L is now the busier of the two lines and needs relief, badly, it would be much more sensible IMO to go east across E 7 St to stations at Tompkins Square Park, Metropolitan/Bedford, Hope/Union (G) (L), Humboldt/Montrose (L), and Myrtle Av (J)(M)(Z), to provide a faster alternative to the L. I dont really think theres much value in duplicating Broadway services just because S 4 St exists. This leads me to propose that the first part of the plan to be built is the Utica Ave stretch from Eastern Parkway to Kings Plaza connecting to the IRT Eastern Parkway Line but with provisions for a future extension north (all tunnels would be built to the larger B division specs). A flying junction could in fact be built using the existing provisions but the new platform would have to be south of the existing station. Most of southeast Brooklyn is built out already, the new development would require upzoning and will take time. Many will overload the (N) train as a result. Passangers want a train for the East and West Sides.By switching the 3 and 5 youre forcing passangers to make a crossover at Franklin when they could easily just have a one seat ride from Utica or Flatbush Av. Yes, and I mentioned that in the article. Most of the subway system in New York City no longer has that feel . Unusually, there are two mezzanine levels; the upper mezzanine level was closed off after a 1995 renovation, and the lower mezzanine level is actually the platform level of the unbuilt Utica Avenue line. We have a new formula for success: were going to aim for an average team height of 5 3. You could replace Lafayette Ave with a new station that joins the fray and then shares track with the R. All tunnels built after the original subway were built to B Division standards. "Not a lot of people get to see this area," said Doug Nintzel with the . [2] The Reid Avenue El station, which was originally named Utica Avenue and was formerly above the current subway station, closed on May 31, 1940.[5]. They will have elevators or ramps for handicapped access. However, if such a public-private partnership could be established and developers enlisted to build the stations then a couple more could be added. Although not in the official report, soon after it was proposed to connect 14th St to Utica Ave. Given the upfront costs of building it that seems like a waste (yes, 2nd Ave only hits that with the Q but it is at least designed to add the T later on). Last but not least, are the 2 and 3 doing skip stop? Granted it eventually meets up with all nine of those services, just not in the big pile-up. The bi-level station means that the branch would have a simpler time merging with the trunk. Though Id suggest building a peak direction track on Utica Similar to the 6 and 7 lines. 11. It stands to reason, then, that the massive South 4th Subway with branches to Utica Ave and along Myrtle Ave was designed to replace the Broadway and Myrtle Ave Els as well. Outside fare control, there is a token booth and two street stairs, each going to either western corners of Utica Avenue and Fulton Street. Look at the ceiling from the open platform, and at the mezzanine area at the north end. Replace the most cumbersome and unattractive of existing el structures with The two street staircases lead out to the two malls on either side of the main road of Eastern Parkway on the west side of Schenectady Avenue. Taking this one step further this also supposes that, as the Worth St Line was to serve a similar catchment area as the BMT Centre Street Line (J train) that the new subways through the Lower East Side would replace the Centre St Line, thus leaving it up for abandonment (if this seems too preposterous keep in mind that half of this line is already, for all intents and purposes, abandoned). As for the bus Im sure it will go back to being local but if the demand is there for SBS (especially thru Bed Stuy) theres nothing stopping it from remaining. Some of the old trolley poles are still there! Anyone? Even 2nd Ave had to take a few buildings for ventilation plants. Queens Blvd is one of the busiest trunk lines in the city, so its definitely a second on the priority list, and even with East Side Access the MTA has set aside room to build the connecting tracks for the Bypass. proposal for a subway stretch closer in on Jamaica Ave. 6. Unlike the Utica Ave stretch, the Flatbush Ave structure would run along the center of the street on a modern concrete viaduct (similar to what the AirTrain uses long Van Wyck Expressway). The 2 track Worth St Line would require a 3.15 mile tunnel from Tribeca to Williamsburg. Would it be possible to connect the Utica Avenue like with the Fulton Street line? There were blocked stairways up from the platform level to the upper level that were removed during the station's renovation. The upper platform serves southbound trains, with local tracks to the west and express tracks to the east, and the lower platform serves northbound trains with a similar configuration. Looking into the window reveals a cinder-block wall that were erected to prevent glimpses into the closed portion of the intermediate level mezzanine. Also, that wasnt a smart move, moving the 3 and 5 so that all local trains past Franklin Av are linked up together, and all express trains past Franklin Av are linked until Utica, except ones local and the others still express.Most passangers at Flatbush Av( I should know, this is part of my daily commute) The second is a simple addition of new switches which is what Im going with. tph, equal to 16 A Div. I-beams and could be outfitted as faades on older structures as they The line was proposed to cut across town to Columbus Circle, one avenue block away. Now for the second option. 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In 1951 Bergen Beach hadn't yet gained its acreage of tract housing. Artwork here was made in 1996 by Jimmy James Green and is called Children's Cathedral. (This post was also meant for a different article.). Today, police released a photo of the suspect, who is still at large. As for late nights and weekends why not just extend the 6? Six other lines would have to be widened for it to stay as the 4. There is another part of the IND plan which, as far as I can tell, no one has figured out or brought up yet. But thats how I see it. At its peak, it had more than 50 businesses.. But whats your obsession with rerouting the 6th Ave Express to replace (J)/(M) trains? I like the basic idea. So on late nights obviously the 2/4 would run local. MTA Subway - Crown Heights/Utica Ave (3/4) 1117 Eastern Pkwy. This station has two fare control areas, one at either end. I realize it looks like Im being hypercritical but thats The 2 track Worth St Line would require a 3.15 mile tunnel from Tribeca to Williamsburg. The MTA studied [PDF] rebuilding this junction in 2009 and came up with two plans. Contents 1 History 2 Station layout 2.1 Unfinished station 2.2 Exits Charlestown USA Outlet Mall (Utica) This old, abandoned, former mill site was once one of the first shopping centers to locate in the Mohawk Valley. Past Clarendon Rd the line would split with two tracks peeling east to a new yard facility built along the LIRR Bay Ridge line (requiring land taking). Looking at Census data based on commuting patterns of riders coming from the two zip codes along Utica Ave the primary destination for most riders is downtown Brooklyn with Midtown West second. Stations are going to be more expensive no matter what because so much more is expected of them now. Its got limitations now, sure. The same happens if the A leaves. As per your proposal. PABT-Times Square awkward? The point is that focusing on just the Utica Ave section alone could make this project shovel ready while 2nd Ave Phase 3 is still a pipe dream. With these and the IRT provisions in place Utica Ave was always so tantalizingly close. Even today Utica makes too much sense. Located under Eastern Parkway near Utica Avenue in Crown Heights, Brooklyn, it is served by the 4 train at all times and the 3 train at all times except late nights. street-side condemnation would be for the head-houses. It would reduce the need for bus transfers. When the IRT built the Eastern Parkway Line between 1915 and 1918 they built into it a provision for a future branch down Utica Ave (the IRT, in fact, built its entire Brooklyn section with many provisions for future expansion that either never happened or ended up being built by a competing company). On the other hand, your SAS plans involve building at least two complicated junctions to active tracks (including one under the East River) and lots of reliability-tanking interlining. Parkchester on the 6. [31], For the station at Utica Avenue and Fulton Street, see, Elevator at northwest corner of Utica Avenue and Eastern Parkway, in Eastern Parkway median, Last edited on 30 November 2022, at 09:22, Utica Avenue station (IND Fulton Street Line), "Facts and Figures: Annual Subway Ridership 20142019", "Subway to Brooklyn Opened for Traffic; First Regular Passenger Train Went Under the East River Early This Morning. Then Utica can fulfill both roles but as of now the only important section is south of Eastern Parkway. [14] The line was to be extended along Flatbush Avenue and Eastern Parkway to Buffalo Street as a four-track subway line, and then along East 98th Street and Livonia Avenue to New Lots Avenue as an elevated two-track line, with provisions for the addition of a third track. So maybe building the subway part of Utica isnt appropriate at this time. Building an elevated line designed to integrate into the built landscape rather than dominate it, while not new, is novel and one that will need time for the public to come round to. The big attraction to politicians of boring subways instead of cut-and-cover is that it removes so much uncertainty. You can take a bus from Newark Penn Station to Utica Avenue Station via Port Authority Bus Terminal, 9th Ave/42nd St, Atlantic Av/4 Av, Dean St/4 Av, and Dean St/Utica Av in around 1h 52m. And thats a jump I dont think we could ever make. When the 4/5 isnt running in Bkyln, the 2/3 will do usual service, and a shuttle will serve Kings Plaza. Using the IRT as the basis for a Utica Avenue line is much more feasible. Look at ridership at the Crown Heights-Utica Ave station now. Off-road (Chicago style). Gov. The line's section to Atlantic Avenue was part of Contract 2 of the Interborough Rapid Transit Company (IRT)'s plan to construct an extension of the original subway, Contract 1. In 1977, the fight to save Utica Union Station and the Adirondack Railway's plans to reopen the abandoned Utica-Lake Placid line prompted formation of the Utica & Mohawk Valley Chapter. Im not suggesting building an extension of the Crosstown Subway or tearing down the Broadway El, that is merely a reproduction of the 1931 IND plan. que mangent les gendarmes insectes. When would you see it converted to that? station count on BWY7 and 8AV between 110th and 72nd. 3 and 4 train service through East . Abandoned 9th Avenue Subway Station. The majority, 27, go to the Lexington Ave. services and with a few additional 4 trains that terminate after downtown Brooklyn the LEX express tracks are totally maxed out. Far simpler with more capacity. There seems to me to be two sections of this plan: the Worth St-South 4th-Stuyvesant Ave section and the Utica Ave section. Maybe Im reading too much into the zip code graphs but they both indicate that the majority of jobs in midtown Manhattan are in the center and western parts, not to the east. Excellent nonetheless. Extensions of the IRT subway east or south of the station have been proposed since the line's planning in the 1910s, which included terminating the line at Buffalo Avenue just east of the station, or extending the line down Utica Avenue towards Flatbush Avenue and Avenue U near Kings Plaza. Abandoned Stations List; . Subway to Williamsburg Bridge proposal.. The Board of Rapid Transit Commissioners approved the route on September 27, 1900,[6] and the contract was signed on September 11, 1902. why did you completely destroy the jamaica line, cant we just make a 3/4 line extension? These look less industrial than plain That has what, a current limitation of 26 tph? There is actually going to be a place to connect that will be much easier; the Second Avenue Subways current iteration is supposed to have lower level storage tracks from 21st to 9th Sts. The Queens Boulevard Express turns out 15 TPH each on its two services, and if anything DeKalb is the major limitation here; at least with Sixth Avenue its not the biggest deal since the merges on both ends of CPW also limit capacity. BED-STUY, BROOKLYN A person was hit and killed by a train at Utica Avenue station in Bed-Stuy on Wednesday morning, according to the MTA and FDNY. The Independent Subway System (IND or ISS), formerly known as the Independent City-Owned Subway System (ICOSS) or the Independent City-Owned Rapid Transit Railroad (ICORTR), was a rapid transit rail system in New York City that is now part of the New York City Subway. from those two subway stations C, the yard that would be built over the bus depot would be able to host more trains (btw can it be named Marine Park Yards or Mill Basin Yards) seeing that it is smaller. Say we got together and bought the local NBA franchise. Now most likely a shuttle will run service between Utica and New Lots and Flatbush and President. Both Fulton/8th Ave. and Eastern Pkwy/Broadway 7th routes hit up with all three major employment destinations. Especially for a line such as the 5 that lacks walking distance stations in comparison to the Nostrand Avenue line. For future expansion of the system we need to be open to thinking outside the box. But thats not necessarily for the bad. This staircase leads up to a small mezzanine where there is a token booth and turnstiles. The 2nd Ave station (F line) was built with express tracks pointed towards Brooklyn (the 6th Ave express trains would have made up the bulk of the Utica Ave Line), at the Broadway G station there is the shell of the never built South 4th St station which was to serve Utica Ave trains, and at Utica Ave station on the Fulton St Line (A/C lines) there was on the upper level a shell for a 4 track station for Utica Ave trains. The center of the station slopes down and there is a lowered ceiling compared to the rest of the station. Now we dont want that, do we? BBGUN63. Run it through there to the Culver line where it can be the additional service that justifies reopening the express level. Not a Hitch in the Service. Utica Avenue Subway Station. The Manhattan plans remained the same, but the line east from South 4th Street would continue on only to Marine Park via Utica Ave. Anyone bemoaning the fact that President St. and Nostrand Ave arent connected? The new trains would be served by trains from Seventh Avenue. If that happens, either the A or C would have to go that way. Looking at a modern take on IND plan, since the Chrystie St Connection rerouted the 6th Ave express trains over the Manhattan Bridge and the extra local service to Williamsburg, there is no extra capacity along 6th Ave to connect with the new line. Hey, me again. Adding another train to Queens Blvd is a problem. Crime Statistics (PDF) Crime Statistics (Excel) Contact Information. Av D/Utica Av is 480 yards away, 6 min walk. But the question is what is more dire, commuters coming from Wall St (with their many different subway options) or those coming from Williamsburg (with the congested L)? 34 St- Penn Station. The new IND subway replaced the BMT Fulton Street El. And theres no room there for it. Barring a brand new line paralleling the EPL and Fulton, which wouldnt make sense as long as capacity can still be raised on those lines, the Fulton Street line looks like the only way to ever realize that greater capacity. The subway itself would run straight down Utica Ave with potential stations at Empire Blvd, Linden Blvd-Church Ave and Clarendon Rd. because Im so taken with the main idea of applying a new technique to In 2001, an empty lot at Avenue N and Utica Avenue marked a trolley layup area that still hadn't been built on. Got to be local? Small black tile captions reading "UTICA" in white lettering on a black background run below the trim line at regular intervals. Even before revenue service or full tunnels were dug the six-track station was a relic of another era. BUT in order for that to happen you have to shut down service between Franklin and Flatbush and Franklin and New Lots. Im more in support of an IRT Utica Avenue subway and now you made a Rogers Junction plan clear. But what this plan does is allow for a new and better city to grow around the line rather than be divided by it. See the problem? (Plans for a Utica Ave. subway in 1969 involved extending the IRT instead of the IND.) My first thought was that this doesnt jibe with LEX being the busiest single line but then I tallied the ridership numbers for the three lines that go up the west side for a number thats 2 and a half times as big. 5. Off-center over roadway. You bring up a good point. North of Fulton theres a park for it to curve through, similar to your design for the Second Ave. The Queens Blvd Line was extended to Union Turnpike on December 30th, 1936, and to 169th St. - Jamaica on April 24th, 1937. . The Livonia Avenue branch line, known as Route No. Meaning if the Livonia Yards are overcrowded and a train-related incident happens at Franklin;blocking off service to Manhattan, trains can run between New Lots and Flatbush and/or Kings Plaza and Flatbush. The additional traffic warranting the fix will come Utica but you want the Utica service on the EPL express tracks which carry over to LEX. Same with Crown Heights-Utica Av. Located at Utica Avenue and Fulton Street in Bedford-Stuyvesant, Brooklyn, it is served by the A train at all times and the C train at all times except late nights. IRT Utica only needs a simple switch added to Rogers Junction to start running. February 10, 2019 12:27pm Mark Mellone A woman was in critical condition after she ended up under a train at the Utica Avenue subway early Sunday morning, cops said. The first is building a complicated junction that lets you send trains anywhere, which I think is what you are suggesting. It wont really be providing new services, since youre just substituting services that already exist. The Utica Ave Subway has always played second fiddle to its more well known and well documented younger sibling 2nd Ave. Rolling back to the more germane silliness, I think Ive sniffed out a problem with the proposed local (2, 3) and express (4, 5) split the lower cost workout will lead to. Few problems. Lets get it built! Nostrand is also a major corridor, and demand would be enough for both buses and subway. Use upside down flying buttresses (floating buttresses?). For example, why build a Lafayette Av branch off of Crosstown when instead a cheap connection between the (G)/(J)/(M) could be built at Broadway. The Utica provisions at Fulton are on the upper level and cross perpendicular to the lower platforms. Place station house under tracks in median. Merchant groups arent going to sue you for driving their business away. Existing abandoned portions: Part of a station for 2 tracks and two side platforms. The biggest issue I have with you routings is that it ignores the changes that need to happen at Rogers Junction. With IRT you are constrained slightly but smoothing out the Rogers Junction gives you more to work with and if Utica proves more popular than New Lots then you could run some special 4 trains down there at rush hour. want to either go to Midtown West or Midtown East. Eastern Parkway & Utica Avenue. After the 1990s renovation of the Utica Avenue station, the mezzanine was shortened using cinder-block walls and the current tiling in the intermediate level, hiding the chain-link fence and the door behind it. 2- rebuild the Eastern Pkwy Station so that there are provisions for the line to pass through. [7] The outer track walls are made of tile and have a maroon trim line with a dark maroon border. 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